Cloud Nine Squad {C-iX}

I knew it, I knew it! Good call, Supreme Court (or at least to 5 of the justices)... What the heck were the other 4 thinking? Gay marriage bans are blatantly unconstitutional... Anyway, I'm gay it passed! I mean, glad*

Public enemy #1 - federal government interfering in voluntary associations.

BlackCat wrote:I knew it, I knew it! Good call, Supreme Court (or at least to 5 of the justices)... What the heck were the other 4 thinking? Gay marriage bans are blatantly unconstitutional... Anyway, I'm gay it passed! I mean, glad*

I suggest you re-read the US Constitution and the Amendments. The word "marriage" and all of its derivatives does not appear, nor is it suggested or implied, anywhere in the US Constitution. Therefore, the 10th Amendment takes precedence.

10th Amendment wrote:The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

For several decades now, our country has been in what's known as a "constitutional crisis" (Google it). This has been a direct result of a total disregard for the rule of law. Up to now, there has been very little civil unrest resulting from it, but sooner or later all hell is going to break loose. We could argue about this all day long, but in the end I'm right and you're wrong. There's no way I can't be right, because words have meaning and there's words that simply don't appear in, nor are implied in, the US Constitution. Marriage is one of those words; it simply isn't in there in any way, shape, manner, or form. Marriage is completely outside the scope of the US Constitution. And frankly, I don't give a rat's ass what nine judges in black robes say about it. That ruling has absolutely no jurisdiction over the applicable state laws, nor does it hold any jurisdiction or judicial precedence to hundreds of years of common law. The only way that can change is by calling a Constitutional Convention and adding another amendment to say yea or nay on the subject. Period. End of story.

Zorro wrote:We could argue about this all day long, but in the end I'm right and you're wrong.

I'm glad you said this; I prefer not talking to brick walls.

BlackCat wrote:I'm glad you said this; I prefer not talking to brick walls.

If you say 2 + 3 = 4, then I will act like a brick wall and tell you that I'm right and you're wrong. It's quite easy to be a brick wall when you have an argument that a rational human being simply can't disagree with. You're saying that gay marriage bans are blatantly unconstitutional. That argument isn't an argument at all; it's an untruth. When you scrape away all of the political correctness and modernity, you have no case, no argument, and no standing, and neither do those five judges who issued the ruling. Why is this? It's because we speak, read, and write in the English language. Marriage does not appear in the US Constitution or the Bill of Rights in any way, shape, manner, or form; it's not expressed, nor implied. Marriage is not attached to, nor detached from, any of the rights that the US Constitution grants the federal government.

You see, the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights does not grant you any rights whatsoever. The 1st Amendment does not grant you the right to freedom of speech. The 2nd Amendment does not grant you the right to keep and bare arms. The 3rd Amendment does not grant you the right to privacy. The 4th Amendment does not grant you the right to private property. The 5th Amendment does not grant you the right to due process... And obviously this list could go on. This may be perplexing, and you may be wondering how the hell I could possibly say what I just said. But that is the problem. You look at the US Constitution and Bill of Rights through the prism of personal rights; this is incorrect. If you read the second sentence of the Declaration of Independence, you will find the following:

Declaration of Independence wrote:We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

You are born with all of the rights that you think the Constitution gives you. These rights are God-given. You don't need a document to tell you that you have the right to speak your mind. You don't need a document to tell you that you have the right to defend yourself. You don't need a document to tell you that you have the right to private property. You don't need a document to tell you that you have the right to due process. The Bill of Rights is not a collection of rights that a benevolent government grants you. The Constitution and Bill of Rights defines certain rights and privileges that are granted to the federal government by the people ("We the people"). Once you understand this, it's quite easy to see why the ruling the Supreme Court has issued regarding gay marriage is null and void. "We the people" have never granted the federal government the right to define or recognize the institution of marriage. This means that if/when marriage needs to be defined and recognized, it must be done on the state level until or unless "we the people" amend the US Constitution to grant the federal government the right to define it.

Hmmmmm, no mention of the Equal Protection Clause or Due Process Clause. Suppressing evidence?

You do know about the 14th Amendment, right?

Let's review:

Section 1 wrote:All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

The [state] government will allow Adam and Amanda to marry.
The [state] government will not allow Christina and Carrol to marry.

Is this equal protection? No. This is discrimination on the basis of sex and sexual orientation. Hello, Zorro?

But don't take my word for it. Let's see how the Supreme Court rules... Oh, wait.

Again, it's all in the 14th Amendment. Don't shoot the messenger.

Class is dismissed.

I'm having some trouble with my eyes lately (I'm even having to wear sunglasses at the computer), so I'll try to respond to your post in detail tomorrow after some shut eye.

I'm just glad they removed the Confederate flag. No more mass murders!

No Dukes of Hazzard tho.